DrM schrieb am 09.05.2024 20:01:
_v_ schrieb am 09.05.2024 19:17:
in Deutschland abstimmen zu lassen, ob man nicht Nazi-Symbole nicht nur nicht verbieten, sondern ehren sollte?
Der Gruß der faschistischen UPA-Ukrainer (Bandera und Schukschwitsch und Co.), das sind die, deren Brutalität beim Ermorden von Juden sogar SS-Leute erstaunt hat,
Belege bitte!
Both Umland and Rossolinski-Liebe point out another dark side in the history of the Bandera movement, the involvement of OUN fighters in the murders of civilians, Jews and Poles, in the regions of Galicia and Volhynia. However, they said Bandera personally had no part in the murders.
"The OUN joined the Ukrainian police, in 1941, and helped the Germans murder Jews in western Ukraine," said Rossolinski-Liebe, adding he had found no evidence that Bandera supported or condemned "ethnic cleansing" or killing Jews and other minorities. It was, however, important that people from OUN and UPA "identified with him," he said.
https://www.dw.com/en/stepan-bandera-ukrainian-hero-or-nazi-collaborator/a-61842720
Auch wenn Stepan Bandera nicht aktiv an diesen Pogromen teilnahm, so hat er - als oberster Chef der OUN(B) diese auch nicht verhindert.
On 23 June 1941, one day after the German attack on the Soviet Union, Bandera sent a letter to Adolf Hitler arguing the case for an independent Ukraine. On 30 June 1941, with the arrival of Nazi troops in Ukraine, the OUN-B unilaterally declared an independent Ukrainian state ("Act of Renewal of Ukrainian Statehood").[68][69] The proclamation pledged a cooperation of the new Ukrainian state with Nazi Germany under the leadership of Hitler.[5] The declaration was accompanied by violent pogroms.[68][52] Bandera was not actively supporting the Lviv pogroms, as well as other violence against Jewish and Polish civilians, but, being well informed about the violence, was however "unable or unwilling to instruct Ukrainian nationalist military troops (as Nachtigall, Roland and UPA) to protect vulnerable minorities under their control". As German historian Olaf Glöckner writes, Bandera "failed to manage this problem (ethnic and anti-Semitic hatred) inside his forces, just like Symon Petljura failed 25 years before him."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
Auf der anderen Seite ist da auch noch die Tatsache, dass die Nummer 2 der OUN(B), Jaroslav Stezko, nach eigenen Angaben die Kontrolle über Lvov hatte, als die ersten Pogrome gegen Juden und Polen begannen.
By June 30, 1941, advance units of the Wehrmacht had reached the city of Lvov. With them were the Ukrainian Nightingales, led by a German officer, Theodore Oberlander, and Yaroslav Stetsko.
Stetsko immediately organized a "congress" in a small meetingroom. From the podium, he announced the creation of the Ukrainian State, and named himself premier. Whether Stetsko thought he had tacit approval from the Nazis for the independence declaration or whether he was attempting to present them with a fait accompli is open to debate. But certainly the news, broadcast out of Lvov by Stetsko over the radio station, did not have the desired effect on his allies: The Germans were outraged, but, not wanting to alienate their Ukrainian surrogate soldiers, they vacillated. In the confusion, Stetsko scrambled for approval, crowing his obedience to the Nazis:
The Ukrainian State will closely cooperate with great National Socialist Germany which under the leadership of Adolf Hitler will create a New Order in Europe and throughout the world. The Ukrainian army will fight together with the allied German army for the New Order in the world. 16
The shaky alliance held long enough for the average Ukrainian peasant to realize that the liberating Nazis and the OUN were just as brutal as the Red Army had been. The pogroms, code-named "Action Petlura," began within hours of Stetsko's arrival in Lvov. Jews, intellectuals, greater Russians, Communist Party officials— anyone suspected of opposing the "New Order"— were rounded up and executed in these joint operations of the Nazis and the Ukrainian nationalists.
"The Galician capital of Lvov," wrote historian Raul Hilberg, "was the scene of a mass seizure by local inhabitants. In 'reprisal' for the deportation of Ukrainians by the Soviets, 1000 members of the Jewish intelligentsia were driven together and handed over to the security police." 17
This roundup took place on July 2, 1941 ; two days after Stetsko had arrived in Lvov and assumed the premiership of the Ukraine. During the period in which Stetsko was in Lvov and, by his own claim, in charge of the city, an estimated seven thousand residents, mostly Jews, were murdered. Tens of thousands more were exterminated in the surrounding countryside by marauding OUN/B units.
https://archive.org/details/pdfy-YAnJOkt3G0B4uEGh/page/n37/mode/2up
Bei diesem Einmarsch in Lviv/Lvov hatte die OUN übrigens ein Flugblatt verteilt, dass von Stepan Bandera unterzeichnet war und dessen Inhalt lautete:
Volk, das musst du wissen: Moskowiten, Polen, Ungarn und Juden, das sind deine Feinde. Vernichte sie, das musst du wissen. Deine Führung, dein Führer, Stepan Bandera
Dieses Flugblatt hat übrigens Tilo Jung in seinem Interview mit Andre Melnyk zitiert, dessen Antworten und Aussagen zu diesem Thema haben danach international Proteste hervorgerufen.