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Re: Grundlegender Fehler in dem Artikel

Pearphidae schrieb am 28.02.2024 20:47:

DasWoelfchen schrieb am 28.02.2024 19:18:

pg_dump schrieb am 28.02.2024 17:08:

Der Angriffskrieg Russlands gegen die Ukraine fing 2014 an nicht erst 2022!
Die Frage wäre also ob die CIA Kooperation durch den russischen Überfall ausgelöst wurde. Das muss man wohl bejahen!

Oder man recherchiert ein wenig und findet dann bei Yahoo News schon am 13. Januar 2022 folgendes:
"Seit Jahrzehnten hat die CIA ukrainische Geheimdiensteinheiten in begrenztem Umfang geschult, um ein unabhängiges Kiew zu stärken und eine russische Subversion zu verhindern, doch nach der Invasion der Krim wurde die Zusammenarbeit "intensiviert", so ein ehemaliger CIA-Mitarbeiter."
https://news.yahoo.com/cia-trained-ukrainian-paramilitaries-may-take-central-role-if-russia-invades-185258008.html

Die Schulung des ukrainischen Geheimdienstes wurde aufgrund der Invasion auf der Krim intensiviert. Na und?

Und in einem anderen Yahoo News Artikel erfährt man unter Berufung auf den New York Times Artikel, dass die intensivierte Kooperation mit der CIA auf den 24. Februar 2014 datiert - 2 Tage nachdem der damalige Präsident Janukowitsch gestürzt worden war und quasi als allereste Amtshandlung des neuen Chefs der Sicherheitsdienste:

"According to the Times report, Ukraine's Security Service head Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, first sought the assistance of the CIA and Britain's MI6 to rebuild the country's intelligence agency on February 24, 2014 — exactly eight years before Russia invaded Ukraine."
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/decadelong-secret-partnership-between-cia-043101068.html

Fassen wir noch einmal zusammen:
1. die CIA hat also schon mindestens seit 2002 ukrainische Geheimdiensteinheiten trainiert
2. die schon vorher existierende Zusammenarbeit wurde ab dem 24. Februar 2014 intensiviert
3. das war offensichtlich sofort nach dem "Regierungswechsel" 2014
4. und noch vor den Geschehnissen auf der Krim

Mithin muss man deine Frage strikt verneinen!

Aber nur, wenn man "Schulung von Mitarbeitern" und "Kooperative Zusammenarbeit" miteinander verwechselt.

Die "Zusammenarbeit" war aber schon etwas tiefer. So berichtete Russ Bellant, Autor des vielzitierten Buches "Old Nazis, the New Right, and the Republican Party" in einem Interview mit The Nation schon 2014:

What’s happened since you wrote your book, and most of the World War II generation died off? What have the OUN and its allies been up to since then that we should be aware of?

Once the OUN got sponsored by the American security establishment intelligence agencies, they were embedded in a variety of ways in Europe as well, like Radio Free Europe, which is headquartered in Munich. A lot of these groups in the ABN were headquartered in Munich under the sponsorship of Radio Free Europe. From there, they ran various kinds of operations where they were trying to do work inside the Warsaw Pact countries. When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, a number of them moved back into Ukraine as well as the other respective countries and began setting up operations there, and organizing political parties. They reconstituted the veterans group of the Waffen SS, they held marches in the 1990s in Ukraine, and they organized political parties, in alliance with the United States, and became part of what was called the Orange Revolution in 2004, when they won the election there.

The prime minister (a reference to Viktor Yushchenko, president of Ukraine from 2005 to 2010) was closely allied with them. They worked with the new government to get veterans benefits for the Ukrainian SS division veterans, and they started establishing the statues and memorials and museums for Stepan Bandera, who was the leader of the OUN, and who I should say were despised by other Ukrainian nationalists because of their methods, because they were extreme and violent toward rival Ukrainian nationalist groups. So Bandera wasn’t a universal hero, but this group was so influential, in part because of its US connections, that if you go online and you Google "Lviv" and the word "Bandera" you’ll see monuments and statues and large posters and banners of Bandera’s likeness and large monuments—permanent erected monuments—on behalf of Bandera so they made this guy like he’s the George Washington of Ukraine.

That government was in power until 2010, when there was another election, and a new regime was elected with a lot of support from the East. Ukrainian nationalist groupings around the Orange Revolution were sharply divided against each other, and there was rampant corruption, and people voted them out. The United States was very aggressive in trying to keep the nationalists in power, but they lost the election. The United States was spending money through the National Endowment for Democracy, which was pumping money into various Ukrainian organizations, and they were doing the same thing in Russia and many other countries around the world as well. We’re talking about many millions of dollars a year to affect the politics of these countries.

(Quelle: The Nation "Seven Decades of Nazi Collaboration: America’s Dirty Little Ukraine Secret")

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