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Re: Die Russen sollen sich mal nicht so anstellen.

Frieder schrieb am 10.05.2024 22:29:

i-n-t-e schrieb am 10.05.2024 10:28:

Und, natürlich ist die Lage in der Ukraine komplexer, zumal die ethnische Spaltung des Landes nicht zu leugnen ist.

Yup, und so richtig tief wurde die Spaltung, nach dem die USA 5 Mrd. in die Ukraine investiert hatte, was zum Maidan führte.

Die 5 Mrd. flossen ja seit 1991. Bedeutet, die Amis haben den "Putsch" schon seit 1991 vorbereitet?

Und Putin scheint ja mit seiner Politik dafür zu sorgen, dass diese Spaltung immer weniger wird.

Maria Popova, Oxana Shevel: Russia and Ukraine. Entangled Histories, Diverging States. Polity Press, 2024, ISBN 978-1-5095-5737-0, S. 219–221:
"Ukrainians have made their geopolitical choice and they want a future in the West. Strong majorities favor Ukraine’s EU and NATO membership as soon as possible. In 2023, between 88 and 94 % of Ukrainians in each region want to see Ukraine as an EU member by 2030 and between 80 and 92 % want to join NATO. When it comes to Euro-Atlantic integration, the Ukrainian public went from majority opposed or hesitating in the 1990s and 2000s, to increasingly supportive in the 2010s. Each step closer to the current consensus came in the aftermath of Russian threats to Ukrainian sovereignty. That historically pro-Russian southern and eastern regions would come to support EU and NATO membership by large margins was beyond the dreams of most in the Ukrainian Right in earlier periods. In 2021, virtually no one would have predicted that in 2022 Ukraine would be granted EU candidate status and would have deposited an official application for NATO membership. But the full-scale war made the West more open to the prospects of welcoming Ukraine in its geopolitical ranks and both steps are now facts. Putin has only himself to blame for this geopolitical development.

The war’s disproportional destruction and occupation of parts of the eastern and southern regions has nearly wiped out pro-Russian sentiment in Ukraine, both in terms of geopolitical orientation to the Russian state and in terms of warm attitudes toward the Russian people. Even after Russia annexed Crimea and, while it maintained the war in Donbas, many Ukrainians still supported a friendly relationship with Russia and held positive views toward Russians even as positive views toward the Russian leadership plummeted. In a 2018 Rating poll, only 23 % held negative attitudes to the Russian people and polling throughout the post-Maidan period showed that 44 to 48 % thought Ukraine and Russia should be friendly independent nations. After the full-scale invasion, 92 % of Ukrainians view Russians negatively (May 2022 KIIS poll) and only 11 % want a friendly relationship with Russia (July 2022 KIIS poll).

The 2022 invasion of Ukraine was Putin’s last-ditch attempt to prevent Ukraine from decisively separating from Russia. Russia justified the attack in large part in identity terms: Russians and Ukrainians were one people, Putin argued, and the “special military operation” was supposed to liberate Ukrainian people oppressed by the post-Maidan “neo-Nazi” government bent on denying Russian–Ukrainian organic unity against the wishes of the Ukrainians. His military escalation, however, led to the all but complete separation of Ukraine from Russia. Profound identity changes that began after the Euromaidan and have accelerated since the invasion mean that Ukraine – ironically in large measure due to Putin’s aggression – became decidedly more Ukrainian. Since 2000, pollsters have asked Ukrainians what they consider themselves and have given various local, subnational, national, and global identity options. Throughout the last two decades, the share of people who choose to call themselves “citizen of Ukraine” has increased from 41 % in 2000 to 65 % in the run-up to the full-scale invasion in February 2022. By July 2022, the share jumped to 85 %."

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