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Re: Sagen, was fehlt: Schöne Märchen!

jungspund schrieb am 30.10.2024 11:04:

DasWoelfchen schrieb am 29.10.2024 17:39:

dass das nach dem Beitritt wegbrechende Russlandgeschäft die Ukraine in den nächsten 5 Jahren nochmals 20 Mrd € an Anpassungskosten gekostet hätte.

Das Assoziierungsabkommen war und ist kein Beitritt. Das hat sich noch nicht komplett in Pudelhausen rumgesprochen.

Wenn das Geschäft sooo schlecht gewesen wäre, wie Du hier aufzutischen versuchst, dann hätte Putin genau 0 Dollar auf den Tisch legen müssen. Nun, er musste öffentlich ordentlich draufpacken und an den Rest kann er sich nicht erinnern. Wie Helmut K.

Aber die alten Märchen sind am schönsten.

France24 schreibt am 17.12.2013:

Putin's move came as Ukraine said it desperately needs to raise at least $10 billion in the coming months to avoid bankruptcy. The Fitch ratings agency has given Ukraine's bonds a B-minus rating, which puts them in “junk bond'” territory.
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Anton Siluanov, the Russian finance minister, said after the Kremlin talks that Russia would purchase $15 billion in Ukraine's Eurobonds starting this month. The money would come from Russia's National Welfare Fund that accumulates oil and gas revenues.
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Russia's decision to buy Ukrainian securities effectively means a $15 billion financial aid package, which could be enough to avert a balance of payments crisis for the next 18 months, according to an estimate by Neil Shearing, the chief emerging markets economist at Capital Economics in London.

He said in a note to investors that the gas price cuts could reduce Ukraine's current account deficit by around $4.5 billion a year. Together with the purchase of Ukrainian securities that would be enough to sustain Ukraine's balance of payments for around two years.

https://www.france24.com/en/20131217-russia-ukraine-15-billion-bailout-cut-gas-price

Euronews schreibt am 27.11.2013:

President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych attended the EU Eastern Partnership summit in Vilnius, Lithuania, still saying his country is not interested in joining the Eastern Partnership under current conditions. The European Union was unconvincing in its bid for a historic Association Agreement with Ukraine, even though, it says, it is the most ambitious ever offered to a non-EU state.

Yanukovych was still negotiating on Thursday’s eve of the summit, detailing that he needs to find 12.5 billion euros in the next 18 months to pay Ukraine’s gas and other debts, notably to Russia. He previously called an offer of 600 million euros of EU aid “humiliating”.
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euronews: “You talk about three-way relations… Do you think this is really possible, since Ukraine – with its geographic position – will always be a bone of contention between east and west, Moscow and Brussels. What will happen?”

Gouzenkova: “I think the Europeans and the Russians have to do everything they can so that Ukraine is not an obstacle, to let it gradually become part of the complex global processes that are taking place in relations between the east and west, between Russia and the EU. I think the Ukrainian authorities may have been in too much of a hurry. They did not adequately inform themselves of the pros and cons of this decision. In my opinion, the Europeans also tried to lure Ukraine into their court. They didn’t figure that Ukraine is very closely tied to the Eurasian Customs market, or simply they didn’t want to see it.

https://www.euronews.com/2013/11/29/european-union-in-association-battle-with-russia-over-ukraine

Yahoo schreibt am 28.11.2013:

EU enlargement commissioner Stefan Fuele said on Thursday Ukraine's decision to walk away from the agreement could imperil its future. Disputing Ukraine's estimates that upgrading its economic base to European standards would cost $20 billion a year, Fuele said: "The Ukrainian economy needs huge investments, but these are not costs. They represent future income, more growth, more jobs and more wealth." "The only costs that I can see are the costs of inaction allowing more stagnation of the economy and risking the economic future and health of the country," he told a business forum in Vilnius, adding the EU offer remained on the table.
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FROSTY DINNER On the eve of the summit, Yanukovich told the EU to stop meddling in her case and appeared likely to retort that Tymoshenko's guilt had been proven in a Ukrainian court. He had set the scene for a chilly reception by dismissing the EU's trade offer as "humiliating". The 600 million euros ($800 million), or so, of support on offer was "candy in a pretty wrapper", he said. But his presence at the EU gathering - without signing the agreement - indicates he does not want to burn his bridges with the EU and leave his country's economic future solely to Russia, which wants Kiev to join a Moscow-led trade bloc. His government says the suspension of the EU deal marks only a "pause" in moves to integrate Ukraine into Europe's mainstream. The EU side, however, said there was no readiness to enter into a geo-political bargaining game over Ukraine, likely a reference to possible increased financial aid. "It was never a bazaar for billions.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/eu-leaders-set-tough-table-talk-ukraines-yanukovich-112501383.html

Der Spiegel schreibt am 25.11.2013:

The official reason for the agreement's failure is Yulia Tymoshenko , the opposition politician who has been in prison for the last two years. The EU had made her release a condition of the agreement. Yanukovych was unwilling to release his former rival, and last week the parliament in Kiev failed to approve a bill that would have secured her release.

But then there are the financial incentives. In the end, the Russian president seems to have promised his Ukrainian counterpart several billion euros in the form of subsidies, debt forgiveness and duty-free imports. The EU, for its part, had offered Ukraine loans worth €610 million ($827 million), which it had increased at the last moment, along with the vague prospect of a €1 billion loan from the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Yanukovych chose Putin's billions instead.

The EU had been banking on its radiant appeal, and on its great promise of prosperity, freedom and democracy, but now Brussels must confront the fact that, for the first time, an attempt at rapprochement was rebuffed because the price was wrong. "If Yanukovych doesn't want to make a deal, then he simply doesn't want to," says Brok.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/how-the-eu-lost-to-russia-in-negotiations-over-ukraine-trade-deal-a-935476.html

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