Miamur schrieb am 26.02.2023 14:25:
Prof. Jeffrey Sachs and Ray McGovern address UN Security Council on Nord Stream investigations: https://youtube.com/watch?v=R_EX-VwKjng
Das Thema ist zwar hier ein anderes, aber der 2. Gutachter, Ray McGovern, berichtet, wie das damals bei 2+4 abgelaufen ist.
Das kann man auch den Gesprächsprotokollen entnehmen, in denen auch zu lesen ist, welch weitreichenden Zugeständnisse die USA gemacht haben, damit Deutschland in der NATO bleiben kann:
It goes without saying that when developing an approach to the external aspects of unification it is necessary to a certain degree to consider the concerns of Germany’s neighbors.
Therefore it is quite possible that the CSCE forum could be used for the ratification of agreements developed within the framework of the “two + four” mechanism.We fought alongside with you; together we brought peace to Europe. Regrettably, we then managed this peace poorly, which led to the Cold War. We could not cooperate then. Now, when rapid and fundamental changes are taking place in Europe, we have a propitious opportunity to cooperate in the interests of preserving the peace.
I very much want you to know:
neither the president nor I intend to extract any unilateral advantages from the processes that are taking place.Some other details. We indeed are not speaking in favor of Germany being neutral. The West Germans have also said to us that they do not consider such a decision to be satisfactory. I would like to explain why.
If Germany is neutral it does not mean it will not be militaristic. Quite the opposite, it could very well decide to create its own nuclear potential instead of relying on American nuclear deterrent forces. All our West European allies and a number of East European countries have made it known to us that they would like the United States to keep its military presence in Europe. I do not know whether you support such a possibility. But I would like to assure you that as soon as our allies tell us that they are against our presence, we will bring our troops home.Shevardnadze: I do not know about your other allies, but a united Germany may demand
it.Baker: If that happens, our troops will return home. We will leave any country that does not desire our presence. The American people have always had a strong position favoring this.
However, if the current West German leadership is at the head of a unified Germany then they have said to us they will be against our withdrawal.
And the last point. NATO is the mechanism for securing the U.S. presence in Europe If NATO is liquidated, there will be no such mechanism in Europe. We understand that not only for the Soviet Union but for other European countries as well it is important to have guarantees that if the United States keeps its presence in Germany within the framework of NATO, not an inch of NATO’s present military jurisdiction will spread in an eastern direction.We believe that consultations and discussions within the framework of the “two + four” mechanism should guarantee that Germany’s unification will not lead to NATO’s military organization spreading to the east.
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/16117-document-06-record-conversation-between