schwachstromtechnik schrieb am 04.09.2024 18:37:
DvHinHH schrieb am 04.09.2024 17:48:
schwachstromtechnik schrieb am 04.09.2024 15:26:
Kanickel schrieb am 04.09.2024 14:12:
Das Putinsche Projekt erfasst nicht nur die Ukraine, sondern das gesamte Gebiet es ehemaligen Warschauer Paktes, welches, ähnliche wir damals die Länder des Ostblocks, keine eigenständige Innen- und Außenpolitik mehr haben sollen (siehe Prager Frühling, Ungarn 1956, etc.)
Da hat dich wohl der Herr Putin persönlich in die Geheimnisse seines Projekts eingeweiht? Oder woher kommen diese Informationen sonst?
der 'berühmte Vertragsentwurf' von Putin aus Dez 21 sah die Rückabwicklung der Nato-Beitritte vor.
Da trügt dich offenbar deine Erinnerung. Dort ging es nur um einen Stopp der weiteren Erweiterung der NATO (Ukraine, Georgien) und keine militärischen Stützpunkte in Nicht-Nato-Ländern der ehemaligen SU.
https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2021-12/ukraine-konflikt-russland-nato-sicherheitspakt
Hm..
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russian-federation/sources-russia-misconduct-boris-bondarev
"The disconnect from reality became even more extreme in January 2022, when U.S. and Russian diplomats met at the U.S. mission in Geneva to discuss a Moscow-proposed treaty to rework NATO. The foreign ministry was increasingly focused on the supposed dangers of the Western security bloc, and Russian troops were massing on the Ukrainian border. I served as a liaison officer for the meeting—on call to provide assistance if our delegation needed anything from Russia’s local mission—and received a copy of our proposal. It was bewildering, filled with provisions that would clearly be unacceptable to the West, such as a demand that NATO withdraw all troops and weapons from states that joined after 1997, which would include Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Poland, and the Baltic states. I assumed its author was either laying the groundwork for war or had no idea how the United States or Europe worked—or both. I chatted with our delegates during coffee breaks, and they seemed perplexed as well. I asked my supervisor about it, and he, too, was bewildered. No one could understand how we would go to the United States with a document that demanded, among other things, that NATO permanently close its door to new members. Eventually, we learned the document’s origin: it came straight from the Kremlin. It was therefore not to be questioned."