Re: Russische Atomraketen in Kalinigrad

Artillerist schrieb am 26.06.2024 10:07:

Zu Deiner dümmlichen Bemerkung - "Ja natürlich, die russischen Truppen haben sich versehentlich auf die Krim verirrt und dann die russischen Truppen im Donbas waren natürlich alle auf Urlaub da." - diese Legende ist untrennbar mit derjenigen von den "kleinen grünen Männchen, die zahlreich auf der Krim erschienen sind" und lässt an eine Invasion durch Russland denken. Es gab keinen Einsatz von Truppen der Streitkräfte der Russischen Föderation. Was die russischen Soldaten auf der Krim betrifft, so begrente das Status of Forces Agreemant, das im Jahr 2010 mit der Ukraineabgeschlossen wurde (war gültig bis 2042), ihre Anzahl auf 25.000 Mann. (Diese Soldaten waren schon dort vor 2014 stationiert.)

Das ist falsch. Es wurden auch Truppen aus Russland eingeflogen. Und natürlich berechtigt das russische Truppenkontingent auf der Krim keine Besetzung der Krim.

Anna Arutunyan: Hybrid Warriors. Proxies, Freelancers and Moscow's Struggle for Ukraine. Hurst & Company, 2022, ISBN 978-1-78738-795-9, S. 47, https://books.google.de/books?id=33KMEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT63
"On the night of 21–22 February, while Putin was reportedly still pondering whether to act, various marine and Spetsnaz units were transferred to Crimea and the Anapa airfield on the Russian mainland, which became a key logistic base of the invasion. Indeed, Crimea became the first mission of the newly created Special Operations Forces, the SSO, the most elite units of the Spetsnaz. On 26 February, Crimean Tatars clashed with pro-Russian activists outside the Crimean Supreme Soviet building in Simferopol. That night, Shoigu deployed ten aircraft carrying paratroopers from the Pskov 76th Guards Division to Simferopol. Putin would justify the move as nominally legal, given that Russia could deploy up to 25,000 servicemen as part of the agreement whereby Crimea hosted the Black Sea Fleet. Even so, the paratroopers bore no insignia and came to be known as the “little green men”—covert soldiers of a deniable operation. Admittedly, their role was officially acknowledged later, when Shoigu formally awarded them the Order of Suvorov for their role in the operation to “return” Crimea. On 28 February, when the invasion began in earnest, up to fourteen Ilyushin-76 aircraft delivered an estimated 1,400 Spetsnaz to the Gvardeiskoye airfield near Simferopol."

Es gab weder im Donbass noch auf der Krim eine Invasion.

Auch das ist falsch.

Mark Galeotti: Putin’s Wars. From Chechnya to Ukraine. Osprey, 2022, ISBN 978-1-4728-4755-3, S. 188, https://books.google.de/books?id=yvRfEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT154
"In August 2014, the Russians deployed an estimated 3,500–6,500 troops into Ukraine, growing to a peak of some 10,000 by the end of the year. There had already been small detachments from the 2nd and 10th Spetsnaz Brigades, the 106th Guards Airborne Division and the 45th Guards Airborne Spetsnaz Regiment. Then, elements of the 9th and 18th Motor Rifle Brigades were deployed to prepare the ground. The first wave of regular combat forces saw the introduction of Battalion Tactical Groups (BTGs) drawn from fully ten manoeuvre units: the 17th, 18th, 21st and 33rd Motor Rifle Brigades, the 31st Guards Air Assault Brigade, the 2nd Spetsnaz Brigade, the 104th and 247th Air-Assault Regiments and the 137th and 331st Airborne Regiments. At this point, the age of so-called ‘hybrid war’, one in which disinformation, deniable political operations and other non-kinetic means are at least as important as the actual fighting on the battlefield, was virtually over. Instead this was looking much more like a conventional, even if undeclared, war in which both sides fielded mixes of regular forces and militias in sporadic, but brutal conflict."

Zu der nächsten Festsstellung von Dir - "Die Ukraine hat 2010 ihre Neutralität gesetzlich festgeschrieben." - Durch die angebliche "russische Annexion" der Krim 2014 änderte sich alles, die Ukraine gab ihre Neutralität offiziell auf, und die Abgeordneten der Werchowna Rada stimmten unter großem Jubel mit 303 zu acht Stimmen dafür, die bündnisfreie Position des Landes aufzugeben.

Die Neutralität wurde im Dezember 2014 aufgehoben, nachdem Russland die Krim annektiert hatte und im Donbas einmarschiert war.

Maria Popova, Oxana Shevel: Russia and Ukraine. Entangled Histories, Diverging States. Polity Press, 2024, ISBN 978-1-5095-5737-0, S. 204:
"While immediately renewing Ukraine’s course on EU integration, the interim post-Yanukovych government initially refrained from re-affirming Ukraine’s commitment to joining NATO. In a March 18 speech, Prime Minister Yatsenyuk tried to reassure both Russia and Ukrainians in the southeast that Ukraine’s NATO bid was “not on the agenda.” This caution, as we know, did not prevent Russia’s spring military aggression against Ukraine, both in Crimea and in Donbas. By the fall, after Russia annexed Crimea and its military openly interfered in the conflict in Donbas to beat back Ukrainian forces, Yatsenyuk’s government introduced a bill to cancel Ukraine’s “non-bloc” status and to pursue NATO membership again, and in December 2014, 303 out of 450 Rada members voted for the bill. Over the next years, public support for EU and NATO membership grew significantly, reaching 56 and 45% respectively by early 2019, according to Rating Group polls. Shortly after Russia’s military buildup in the fall of 2018, which prompted Poroshenko’s partial martial law measures, the Ukrainian parliament amended the constitution to enshrine securing EU and NATO membership as the country’s goals."