DrM schrieb am 07.02.2024 11:25:
Helmut Jakoby schrieb am 07.02.2024 09:23:
DrM schrieb am 06.02.2024 22:37:
Helmut Jakoby schrieb am 06.02.2024 19:53:
"Niemand hat die Absicht die NATO nach Osten zu erweitern."
Wer hat das denn gesagt? Ich glaube, du verwechselst etwas.
"Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten". W.Ulbricht, 15. Juni 1961.
https://youtu.be/jLhYIqiJlEA
Ich glaube, ich kann Dein Wissen erweitern.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiF9dFNnrE8
Oh, danke!
Gorbatschow sieht das übrigens etwas anders:
The topic of “NATO expansion” was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a singe Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either. Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces from the alliance would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement, mentioned in your question, was made in that context. Kohl and German Vice Chancellor Hans-Dietrich Genscher talked about it.
Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled. The agreement on a final settlement with Germany said that no new military structures would be created in the eastern part of the country; no additional troops would be deployed; no weapons of mass destruction would be placed there. It has been observed all these years. So don’t portray Gorbachev and the then-Soviet authorities as naïve people who were wrapped around the West’s finger. If there was naïveté, it was later, when the issue arose. Russia at first did not object.
https://www.rbth.com/international/2014/10/16/mikhail_gorbachev_i_am_against_all_walls_40673.html
Ja, das Interview ist sehr interessant. Beachten sollte man aber, dass Gorbatschow in Russland ziemlich schwer in der Kritik stand, wegen seiner Leichtgläubigkeit der NATO gegenüber.
Die Aussage Gorbatschows: "So don’t portray Gorbachev and the then-Soviet authorities as naïve people who were wrapped around the West’s finger." Übersetzung: "Stellen Sie Gorbatschow und die damaligen sowjetischen Behörden also nicht als naive Menschen dar, die vom Westen um den Finger gewickelt wurden." ist damit ggf. in diesem Kontext zu bewerten.
Zudem gibt es Aussagen und handschriftliche Notizen westlicher Teilnehmer an den damaligen Gesprächen, die eine andere Interpretation zulassen.