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Re: S. und die großen Brüder aus GB/USA

DrM schrieb am 21.07.2023 21:42:

stadtFux schrieb am 21.07.2023 21:06:

S. war ja schon zu Beginn des Krieges verhandlungsbereit, dies hat v.a. der damalige britische PM Johnson schnell zunichte gemacht.

Oder Putin?

Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/exclusive-war-began-putin-rejected-ukraine-peace-deal-recommended-by-his-aide-2022-09-14/

Es gab aber noch später eine weitere Chance auf einen Waffenstillsrand und auf diesen bezieht sich der Vorposter. Die Ukrainska Prawda schrieb dazu:

According Ukrainska Pravda sources close to Zelenskyy, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Boris Johnson, who appeared in the capital almost without warning, brought two simple messages.

The first is that Putin is a war criminal, he should be pressured, not negotiated with.

And the second is that even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they are not.

Johnson’s position was that the collective West, which back in February had suggested Zelenskyy should surrender and flee, now felt that Putin was not really as powerful as they had previously imagined, and that here was a chance to "press him."

Three days after Johnson left for Britain, Putin went public and said talks with Ukraine "had turned into a dead end".

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/

Also gab es nach dem 24.02.2022 weitere Verhandlungen und laut dem israelischen Ex-Premier Minister Naftali Bennett war ein Übereinkommen auch bereits sehr weit gediehen:

Bennett said that both sides agreed to major concessions during his mediation effort. For the Russian side, he said they dropped “denazification” as a requirement for a ceasefire. Bennett defined “denazification” as the removal of Zelensky. During his meeting in Moscow with Putin, Bennett said the Russian leader guaranteed that he wouldn’t try to kill Zelensky.

The other concession Russia made, according to Bennett, is that it wouldn’t seek the disarmament of Ukraine. For the Ukrainian side, Zelensky “renounced” that he would seek NATO membership, which Bennett said was the “reason” for Russia’s invasion.

Und nein, Butscha war kein Hinderungsgrund, wie Sekensky in einem Interview in Butscha selbst zu Protokoll gab:

Wearing a bullet-proof vest and surrounded by Ukrainian soldiers, Mr Zelensky said Russian troops had "treated people worse than animals". "That is real genocide, what you have seen here," he said.

Responding to a question from the BBC on whether it was still possible to talk peace with Russia, Mr Zelensky said: "Yes, because Ukraine must have peace. We are in Europe in the 21st Century. We will continue efforts diplomatically and militarily."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60987350

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