Raistlin666 schrieb am 15.09.2023 13:02:
Hat es ja, aber wir haben ja alle russischen Forderungen immer abgelehnt und sahen auch keinen Grund zu verhandeln. Das jetzt Truppen in der Ukraine stehen ist halt nunmal die Folge davon, dass die Politik gescheitert ist.
Na ja, gleich mal den Rückzug der NATO auf die Grenzen von 1997 zu fordern, ist halt kein realistisches Verhandlungsangebot.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russian-federation/sources-russia-misconduct-boris-bondarev
"The disconnect from reality became even more extreme in January 2022, when U.S. and Russian diplomats met at the U.S. mission in Geneva to discuss a Moscow-proposed treaty to rework NATO. The foreign ministry was increasingly focused on the supposed dangers of the Western security bloc, and Russian troops were massing on the Ukrainian border. I served as a liaison officer for the meeting—on call to provide assistance if our delegation needed anything from Russia’s local mission—and received a copy of our proposal. It was bewildering, filled with provisions that would clearly be unacceptable to the West, such as a demand that NATO withdraw all troops and weapons from states that joined after 1997, which would include Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Poland, and the Baltic states. I assumed its author was either laying the groundwork for war or had no idea how the United States or Europe worked—or both. I chatted with our delegates during coffee breaks, and they seemed perplexed as well. I asked my supervisor about it, and he, too, was bewildered. No one could understand how we would go to the United States with a document that demanded, among other things, that NATO permanently close its door to new members. Eventually, we learned the document’s origin: it came straight from the Kremlin. It was therefore not to be questioned."